Re: Don Reed on ESCR and Joan of Arc

[Greg Wasson <gregm94610@xxxxxxxxx>]

Ray,

Thanks so much. I would love to get Don's full posts
if it's not too much trouble. You are right about that
conversational style, too. It makes him very easy to
read. Best to you,

Greg

--- rayilynlee <rayilynlee@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Greg, I will forward all Don's posts to you if  you
> want.  Diane Wysak sends
> me from 30-50 or 60 posts per day and Don's is a
> regular.  If I cut and
> paste more thatn 500 lines (whatever that is) PIEN
> rejects it., maybe the
> reason she can't post to the List. She sends me a
> wide variety of views pro
> and con,  like LifeNews.com another  regular is a
> Cstholic anti sten cell
> research site.
>
> Don has a very conversational style and links
> something else to the ESCR
> message.  I left out the pizza connection to
> Brownback on the last one
> because I didn't think it would make the cut.  His
> son Roman is a paraplegic
> due to an accident , his sister has cancer and he
> has lost another sister to
> cancer.
>
> If anyone wants to follow the Hwang scandal,
> political situaton in various
> states, research, posts opposed to ESCR, let me know
> and I will try to
> accommodate your interest or position.  I did get a
> URL  once which I copied
> and pasted but Rick couldn't get it.
>
> I make mistakes.  I can no longer type 100 wpm no
> errors  I can't do as good
> a job as Murray did, but I know both Diane and I
> would like to try to get
> the word out.  I can do little else.
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Wasson" <gregm94610@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <PARKINSN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Don Reed on ESCR and Joan of Arc
>
>
> > Ray,
> >
> > Thnks for giving us Don Reed's moving account of
> his
> > own faith and the story of Joan of Arc. Don is a
> true
> > hero in the stem cell wars. Aj and I  have sat
> beside
> > him and and his son Roman many times to testify
> for
> > escr in the California legislature. He is always
> > humble, his testimony moving and from the heart.
> The
> > courage that both he and his son have shown in
> > remarkable. Please continue to let us know his
> > thoughts on the battle's in CA and elsewhere.
> >
> > Greg Wasson
> > Louisville, KY
> >
> > ps - is it my settings, or is the online listserve
> not
> > being maintained - I go to the pien site and the
> last
> > post is from october.
> >
> > --- rayilynlee <rayilynlee@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> 55 Wednesday, December 28, 2005  -  JOAN OF ARC,
> AND
> >> STEM CELL RESEARCH
> >>
> >>
> >> A noted bioethicist, a minister, recently asked
> me
> >> to put together my "problems with conservative
> >> religion"-why I do not trust them with the future
> of
> >> stem cell research.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been remiss on answering his request:
> partly
> >> because the subject is vast and very sensitive,
> but
> >> mainly because of my natural aversion to work.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But I will try.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A couple disclaimers:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> First, I believe in God. One small nightmarish
> >> example, foolish even, but real to me: I had a
> dream
> >> in which my son's body was lying on a football
> >> field. He was wearing shoulder pads, everything,
> >> full football gear. But his head was several feet
> >> away.  His head was upright on the grass, and it
> >> spoke to me: "I'm all right," he said repeatedly.
> >>
> >> I woke, shaking, sobbing in the moonlight, while
> >> Gloria also woke, and comforted me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A few weeks later, my son was paralyzed on the
> >> football field. Was I being given a warning from
> >> above? I have no idea. But I do believe in God,
> as
> >> the source of all.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Second, if I pick on Catholics and Protestants
> more
> >> than other faiths, it is because they are my own.
> My
> >> family is Catholic; I was raised Protestant. I do
> >> not imply other religions are superior, merely
> that
> >> my ignorance about them is more pronounced.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As to which religion I most "like", I would have
> to
> >> say Deism, the faith of America's Founding
> Fathers.
> >> Jefferson, Washington (also Lincoln, later on)
> were
> >> Deists. Deism basically said, God created the
> world,
> >> and after that, He observes, and we have free
> >> will-so everything is up to us; we cannot blame
> >> Anybody Upstairs for what goes wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Deism, having no official organization, was not
> >> attractive to those who like to use religion as a
> >> power structure, in which they can rise, grow
> rich,
> >> and dominate.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The only mark Deism left was an invisible one:
> the
> >> Constitutional separation of church and state.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Which was very wise.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Because some religions say they speak with the
> voice
> >> of God-- and therefore cannot be wrong-- and may
> not
> >> even be questioned.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Which seems to me like a modern-day version of
> the
> >> old Abbott and Costello baseball comedy routine,
> >> "Who's on first? What's on second?".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Me (to religious person): How do you know you are
> >> right?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Religious Person:  God told me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Me: How am I supposed to know what God told you?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Religious Person: Because I told you what God
> told
> >> me.
>
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