Re: Scott/wearing Both Hats

[rayilynlee <rayilynlee@xxxxxxx>]

Scott, I guess you can wear both hats at the same time, but can only
perceive one at a time according to quantum physics?? Isn't  this kind of
like Shroedenger's cat that is both dead and alive?
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott E. Antes" <Scott.Antes@xxxxxxx>
To: <PARKINSN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe


> Hi Ray and Bernie.
>
> Reality largely is another word for truth.  In other words, our truth is
> our
> reality.  We basically have two kinds of truth: absolute and relative.
> Absolute is what *is*, period, but what no one really knows, because we
> all
> have different ideas about what it is.  We could say that time and space
> and
> life--as I mentioned in an earlier posting--are the closest to being
> absolute
> truths, since most every human recognizes their existence (albeit in
> different
> ways).  For the most part, though, we all operate on relative truth, that
> which each of us *believes* to be true.  The key word here is belief.  We
> can't *know* truth; the best we can do is *believe* it.  Science, for
> example,
> is not based on truth.  It is based on facts.  Facts simply represent an
> absence of falsehood.  We can *know* facts; we don't have to believe them.
> Of
> course, this knowledge does contribute to the formation of individual
> "realities," but realities based on knowledge rather than truth.  For
> example,
> with my scientist's hat on, I believe nothing, because belief does not
> require
> evidence.  (In science we require evidence in order to make factual
> statements.)  In my scientist mode, then, do I have a sense of reality?
> Of
> course, but it is a different kind of reality than that of a believer.
> Can
> one wear both the scientist's hat and the believer's hat at the same time?
> Sure.  Science doesn't have all the answers to reality.  Scott
>
> > ===== Original Message From Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
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> > Hi Bernie,
> >
> > I think Lanza would say that "reality" is relative (wonder about origin of
> > this word - from the Latin "to carry back") to the perceiver, although I
> > would guess dogs perceive a dog-centered or as Amanda Phillips put it a
> > "biscuit-centered" universe, while humans experience a reality that is
> > also
> > common, yet different for each person based on their experience.  As you
> > might imagine, I tend to agree with you.
> > Ray
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bernard Barber Ph.D." <dbbarber@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <PARKINSN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe
> >
> >
> > > Hi Scott and Ray,
> > >
> > > Good for you regarding; Dr.Lanza's article. Now what is a good
> > > definition
> > > of
> > > "Reality". It seems to me that all knowledge is relative to the human
> > > experience. It is driving force for the continuation of the human quest.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
> > > [mailto:PARKINSN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rayilynlee
> > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:18 AM
> > > To: PARKINSN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe
> > >
> > > Scott:
> > > Lanza was the researcher who did the gene biopsy type study that showed
> > > that
> > > one cell could be taken without destroying the blastocyst.  His work
> > > became
> > > the subject of much argument.
> > >
> > > I think what he meant was that space and time is how we experience
> > > consciousness.  Certainly before we were born or existed we experienced
> > > neither.  I think his idea that all living creatures are bound by
> > > themselves
> > > is a good one.  For example, it is difficult especially with respect to
> > > religion to escape anthropomorphism whether you are a believer or not.
> > > I'm
> > > guessing my dog Spike does not see the issue in the same way I do.  We
> > > are
> > > both restricted by who and what we are.
> > >
> > > I only posted this because Lanza is a stem cell researcher and I thought
> > > his
> > > ideas were interesting.
> > > Ray
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scott E. Antes" <Scott.Antes@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <PARKINSN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: "Biocentric" theory of universe
> > >
> > >
> > > > I wanted to say something earlier, but too many students this semester!
> > > > I'm
> > > > not sure what this has to do with PD, but: I do not know Dr. Lanza, nor
> > > > have I
> > > > read his work, so I am going strictly by the interview posted on this
> > > > list.
> > > > This is not--by any stretch of the imagination--a biocentric universe.
> > > > Biology is a relative latecomer to the big picture.  Plus, of all
> > > > matter
> > > > that
> > > > exists in our universe, biology makes up only a tiny fraction.  Most of
> > > > the
> > > > universe is void of life, and--as best we know--always has been.
> > > >
> > > > If Dr. Lanza is saying that we humans basically construct and
> > > > reconstruct
> > > > our
> > > > universe (actually, our *notion* of the universe) as we gain more
> > > > knowledge
> > > > and understanding of it--and as previous notions get pushed aside, then
> > > > all of
> > > > us in the scientific community would agree.  It's all a matter of
> > > > operating
> > > > under the current paradigm (either social or scientific).
> > > >
> > > > Time and space.  Time and space and life are about the only three
> > > > absolute
> > > > truths in existence.  The devout Buddhist might say that even these are
> > > > simply
> > > > illusion.  Thus, humans define these terms in all sorts of cultural
> > > > ways.
> > > > Whether illusion or truth, we practical people have to recognize that
> > > > we
> > > > work
> > > > within their infinite borders.  Infinite for time and space, that is.
> > > > Not
> > > > for
> > > > life.  Life begins and ends, whereas time and space do not.  A
> > > > biocentric
> > > > universe?  Hardly.
> > > >
> > > > Scott Antes
> > > >
> > > > ===== Original Message From Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
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> > > > I think Dr.  Lanza is one smart guy.  I never did believe "time" was
> > > > real.
> > > > Ray
> > > >
> > > > Scott E. Antes
> > > > Department of Anthropology
> > > > Northern Arizona University
> > > > Flagstaff, AZ 86011-5200
> > > >
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> Scott E. Antes
> Department of Anthropology
> Northern Arizona University
> Flagstaff, AZ 86011-5200
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